{"id":2361,"date":"2025-05-17T16:29:48","date_gmt":"2025-05-17T20:29:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/?p=2361"},"modified":"2025-05-17T16:29:48","modified_gmt":"2025-05-17T20:29:48","slug":"indo-european-not-meaningful-typological-descriptor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/indo-european-not-meaningful-typological-descriptor\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Indo-European&#8221; is not a meaningful typological descriptor"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A trope I see in a lot of student writing (and computational linguistics writing at all levels) is a critique of prior work as being only on &#8220;Indo-European languages&#8221;, and sometimes a promise that current or future work will target &#8220;non-Indo-European languages&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>To me, this is drivel. The Indo-European language family is quite diverse; i.e., for the vast majority of things I&#8217;m interested in, either, say, Italian or Russian is sufficiently different from English to make a relevant comparison. And there are a huge number of &#8220;non-Indo-European&#8221; languages that are typologically similar to at least some Indo-European languages on at least some dimensions; i.e., Finno-Ugric, &#8220;Aquitanian&#8221; (i.e., Basque) and the (narrowly defined) &#8220;Altaic&#8221; families (Mongolic, Tungusic, and Turkic) have quite a bit in common typologically with IE, as do, say, Japanese and Korean. Genetic relatedness just isn&#8217;t that typologically informative in very dense, very &#8220;old&#8221; families like IE. <\/p>\n<p>If you want to talk typology, you should focus on typological aspects <em>actually relevant to your study<\/em> rather than genetic relatedness. If you&#8217;re studying phonology, the presence of vowel harmony in the family may be relevant (but note that Estonian, despite being Finnic, does not have productive harmony); if you&#8217;re interested in morphology, then notions like agglutination may be relevant (though not necessarily). Gross word order descriptors (like &#8220;VSO&#8221;) are likely to be relevant for syntax, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>In some cases, one of the relevant typological aspects is not language typology, but rather writing systems typology. There, genetic relatedness isn&#8217;t very informative either, because the vast majority of writing systems used today (and virtually all of them outside East Asia) are ultimately descended from Egyptian hieroglyphs. <a href=\"https:\/\/aclanthology.org\/2023.cawl-1.1\/\">And we shouldn&#8217;t confuse writing system and language.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Linguists ought to know better. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A trope I see in a lot of student writing (and computational linguistics writing at all levels) is a critique of prior work as being only on &#8220;Indo-European languages&#8221;, and sometimes a promise that current or future work will target &#8220;non-Indo-European languages&#8221;. To me, this is drivel. The Indo-European language family is quite diverse; i.e., &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/indo-european-not-meaningful-typological-descriptor\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8220;Indo-European&#8221; is not a meaningful typological descriptor&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_crdt_document":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2361","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-language"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2361","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2361"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2361\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2365,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2361\/revisions\/2365"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2361"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2361"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.wellformedness.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2361"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}